hebbar77
10-03 12:45 PM
Point is all want GC fast. That will not come by fighting between EB2/EB3.
It takes realization of how important skilled immigrants are to US economy.
So Lets not fight within us, lets do what it takes to get what we want.
I come from india, and abt 300 years back fighting between the indian kings led to india being ruled by a foreign nation for 100 years!. Grow up folks , realise what you want!
It takes realization of how important skilled immigrants are to US economy.
So Lets not fight within us, lets do what it takes to get what we want.
I come from india, and abt 300 years back fighting between the indian kings led to india being ruled by a foreign nation for 100 years!. Grow up folks , realise what you want!
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h1b_alex
03-29 04:14 PM
@vj i would surely unmask him here , gimme another 10-15 days i will reveal everything about him pal , dont worry.
@bugsbunny i paid about $4200 for the process , he said some attorney fees and stuff
Does someone have an experience of application process, so that i send in the right papers, before leaving here. i mean the set of documents to send to DOL, so that i do not miss out on something important which could nail him to the maximum
@bugsbunny i paid about $4200 for the process , he said some attorney fees and stuff
Does someone have an experience of application process, so that i send in the right papers, before leaving here. i mean the set of documents to send to DOL, so that i do not miss out on something important which could nail him to the maximum
MetteBB
06-08 09:12 AM
well... since my entry is in there is really no need to wait till the 30th. It will surely win ;) :lol:
On a more serious note... there havent been alot of entries lately. Perhaps give ppl one more week and then end it?
/mette
On a more serious note... there havent been alot of entries lately. Perhaps give ppl one more week and then end it?
/mette
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hopefulgc
08-19 04:42 PM
You have to have security clearance before you can do that.
Pretty much like you have to have citizenship before you can vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Reality check: most naturalized citizens will never clear Level II
There are LOT of differences. [/COLOR]
1. Visa free travel to many countries
2. No need to maintain GC status, even if I spend >1 year out of US
3. Can work on jobs that require Security Clearance
4. Can sponsor GC for Parents/Siblings
5. Be part of School PTA
!
Pretty much like you have to have citizenship before you can vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Reality check: most naturalized citizens will never clear Level II
There are LOT of differences. [/COLOR]
1. Visa free travel to many countries
2. No need to maintain GC status, even if I spend >1 year out of US
3. Can work on jobs that require Security Clearance
4. Can sponsor GC for Parents/Siblings
5. Be part of School PTA
!
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sri1309
12-15 08:57 PM
sent my story again.. pls keep writing..tell them that this action need not wait on anything..
caliguy
09-17 08:03 PM
Thanks kubmilegaGC!
I will call the senators immigration liaison tomorrow. Hopefully she will not tell me that they cannot do anything besides what they have done because that is what they told me in September last year when I got a standard response last year.
Unfortunately nobody understands the pain and agony we are going through. For them, its just another day at the office, they couldnt care less. Nevertheless, I am going to try tomorrow.....hey, cant give up that easy.
I will call CS again tomorrow, I dont mind being yelled at and I am gonna tell her this time that I have not opened a SR. Atleast, she will then transfer my call to a IO.
Let's see what tomorrow has in store for me!!
Thanks @natraj @fatjoe @Vikki @apb - thanks for all suggestions -:)
@ cali - talk to senators's immigration liaison and explain the contradicting response(s) that you are receiving and ask if they could help - at this time lets take a diff approach - let them ping USCIS rather that you..see if that works.
@fat - 2nd SR was for wife and we seriously think that IT did the trick
I am wishing THE BEST for all of you who are waiting...next few days guys - you will get it! 100%
I will call the senators immigration liaison tomorrow. Hopefully she will not tell me that they cannot do anything besides what they have done because that is what they told me in September last year when I got a standard response last year.
Unfortunately nobody understands the pain and agony we are going through. For them, its just another day at the office, they couldnt care less. Nevertheless, I am going to try tomorrow.....hey, cant give up that easy.
I will call CS again tomorrow, I dont mind being yelled at and I am gonna tell her this time that I have not opened a SR. Atleast, she will then transfer my call to a IO.
Let's see what tomorrow has in store for me!!
Thanks @natraj @fatjoe @Vikki @apb - thanks for all suggestions -:)
@ cali - talk to senators's immigration liaison and explain the contradicting response(s) that you are receiving and ask if they could help - at this time lets take a diff approach - let them ping USCIS rather that you..see if that works.
@fat - 2nd SR was for wife and we seriously think that IT did the trick
I am wishing THE BEST for all of you who are waiting...next few days guys - you will get it! 100%
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starpana
02-28 04:18 PM
Filed to TSC in January 2008 and I just got the RFE from TSC for my EB1-OR
petition:
It says:
"On the I-140 submitted, you failed to complete th form as requested. On
Part 5. Additional information about the petitioner. You did not complete #2
. in reference to the Gross Annual Income or Net Annual Income. For
companies of 100 or less employees, the petitioner must submit the last two
recent quarterly reports which lists employees; wages and social security
numbers as evidence to ability to pay proffered wages.
submit evidence that the petitioner has the ability ot pay the applicant.
Such evidence must include annual reports, U.S. federal tax returns, or
audited financial statements. You may also include additional evidence, such
as profit/loss statements, bank account records, personnel records."
I worked in a small start-up company with 20+ employees. The company has
been in high-tech business for over 8 years with sufficient funds. On the I-
140 form part 5, #2 I put "0.00" for both Gross Annual Income and net Annual
Income according to the information I got from my employer.
The lawyer I hired filed my I-140 (I got signature from my employer) WITHOUT
my W-2 form or my last year pay-stubs. In stead, he attached my W-2 form
and three month pay-stubs with my I-485 application.
Now my employer refuses to give me those financial statements listed in the
RFE letter, what should I do?????
Please help!!!!
Thank you.
petition:
It says:
"On the I-140 submitted, you failed to complete th form as requested. On
Part 5. Additional information about the petitioner. You did not complete #2
. in reference to the Gross Annual Income or Net Annual Income. For
companies of 100 or less employees, the petitioner must submit the last two
recent quarterly reports which lists employees; wages and social security
numbers as evidence to ability to pay proffered wages.
submit evidence that the petitioner has the ability ot pay the applicant.
Such evidence must include annual reports, U.S. federal tax returns, or
audited financial statements. You may also include additional evidence, such
as profit/loss statements, bank account records, personnel records."
I worked in a small start-up company with 20+ employees. The company has
been in high-tech business for over 8 years with sufficient funds. On the I-
140 form part 5, #2 I put "0.00" for both Gross Annual Income and net Annual
Income according to the information I got from my employer.
The lawyer I hired filed my I-140 (I got signature from my employer) WITHOUT
my W-2 form or my last year pay-stubs. In stead, he attached my W-2 form
and three month pay-stubs with my I-485 application.
Now my employer refuses to give me those financial statements listed in the
RFE letter, what should I do?????
Please help!!!!
Thank you.
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$eeGrEeN
07-17 12:18 PM
what other option do you have !!!!
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Abhinaym
09-24 10:18 AM
I am EB3-India, yet I dont support the removal of per country limits, as there is a reason for the diversity rule, Indians and Chinese are currently on the wrong side of the equation so it seems "fair" to remove the quota.
BS...
The diversity rule originated to preserve racial purity and keep down Chinese immigrant population, in the 19th century. You want to preserve it?
If rules weren't meant to change, why have the fricking senates, parliaments and elected officials?? All we need is one court to run the whole country.
These EB country limits might look OK to you now, but in the future they'll be no doubt condemned and scrapped. The sooner the better.
BS...
The diversity rule originated to preserve racial purity and keep down Chinese immigrant population, in the 19th century. You want to preserve it?
If rules weren't meant to change, why have the fricking senates, parliaments and elected officials?? All we need is one court to run the whole country.
These EB country limits might look OK to you now, but in the future they'll be no doubt condemned and scrapped. The sooner the better.
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04-11 06:04 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$GOOD MORNING GC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
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srikondoji
06-07 02:39 PM
This discussion is something we can't logically conclude.
Even if we did, there are no tangibile benefits for us at this time.
So, i believe we all should work with existig system being within this system and follow a systematic approach to bring a change in this system.
Even if we did, there are no tangibile benefits for us at this time.
So, i believe we all should work with existig system being within this system and follow a systematic approach to bring a change in this system.
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smisachu
07-30 11:47 AM
You can trade commodities like stocks by taking a directional bet on long term price movement. But this is what you need to consider. Stocks always trade in Spot. If you buy MSFT you own shares of Microsoft today. Although single stock futures (SSF) are available now we will not look at derivatives right now.
Commodities are traded as futures. You can buy Soy futures today for December delivery or lean hogs for dec 2010 delivery.
Under conditions of No-Arbitrage the price of the future will be the price of the spot plus storage and delivery costs. If for example 3 month LSC (Light Sweet crude) is trading on NYMEX at $60; the cost of storage and delivery is say $20 for 3 months. Then 6 month LSC should be trading at $80. But if you look at the contract it might be trading at $55.
The reason being fundamentals. The peak driving season or the hurricane season is over and heating oil season is not yet on us or by looking at weather derivatives traders are factoring in milder winter. The leader of Iran has declared he will step down from office and retire to Hawaii, the rebels in Nigeria have turned themselves in and joined a church missionary..stuff like that.
So you might believe these fundamental assumptions or you might do your own research and say that the traders are wrong and they are discounting critical factors and the price should be more. So you can go long the future and hope for an increase in price and sell the future before delivery for a profit. This is the expensive route but you will never be wiped out for sure. Price of crude may drop but will never go to zero.
Or you trade options on the futures, for example:
Borrow money (leverage) buy the call; short delta units of the future contract and invest the proceeds at the risk free rate.
If you are correct the call will end up in the money, the shorted futures will loose value but since it is “delta” units it is only a portion of the position and the invested money will earn you the risk free rate. So you make some money on the call and loose some on the hedge and net you will profit. (Hopefully to cover the transaction costs and taxes)
If you are wrong (price falls) your call will expire worth less so you are wiped out there, your short will increase in value and you will still earn the risk free rate. So although net you will loose money it will not be as much as a naked call because of delta hedging.
This is explained in very very simple terms. Each transaction step will indicate modeling prices to know if the future is priced correctly, if the option is priced correctly and if the leverage you are getting is correct. Plus modeling future price movements and expected rate of returns and the most primary thing in any transaction the “Alpha”. Source of alpha should be very clearly defined. Let me go a bit deep and include some simple math:
E[R] = Alpha + betaR + epsalon
Where E[R] is the expected return-(see statists for more on expectation functions.)
alphais the excess return
betaR is market return or what the price of the commodity does in the duration chosen. (Market betais 1)
epsalonis error term or un explained return.
(Sorry the greek symbols did not display so I wrote words)
This is a kindergarten model of modeling your alpha. As there are many variables you will use a multi variant model to figure out return. Plus as I said in my previous post you have to model jumps. Jumps are spikes of very short duration which will only be seen in a log normal price distribution. A Gaussian distribution might not be changed much because of a spike of small duration. For example if you are trading electricity and the temperature in NJ hits 110 degrees, there is going to be a spike on that day for electricity prices but this will fall as soon as temperature falls.
And the core issue of all is you need to have access to products as indicated by puddonhead plus money and leverage capacity and risk bearing capacity. As you see this is not for the faint of heart or for some one to do part time. If you are really sophisticated and can do this with good resources, fine or else my advice is stick to stocks or stock derivatives. Hedge funds have teams of quants and super computers sitting and doing this every day. They will vacuum out even the slightest of alpha out there; they will simply take your money if you enter into a wrong trade. If someone is a quant and does this for a living then if his contract allows it or if his licensing allows it legally he can do it on the side but apart from it definitely not something the retail investor should indulge in. Just invest in some ETF like GLD or USO or some commodity mutual funds at the max.
Best of luck!!
Commodities are traded as futures. You can buy Soy futures today for December delivery or lean hogs for dec 2010 delivery.
Under conditions of No-Arbitrage the price of the future will be the price of the spot plus storage and delivery costs. If for example 3 month LSC (Light Sweet crude) is trading on NYMEX at $60; the cost of storage and delivery is say $20 for 3 months. Then 6 month LSC should be trading at $80. But if you look at the contract it might be trading at $55.
The reason being fundamentals. The peak driving season or the hurricane season is over and heating oil season is not yet on us or by looking at weather derivatives traders are factoring in milder winter. The leader of Iran has declared he will step down from office and retire to Hawaii, the rebels in Nigeria have turned themselves in and joined a church missionary..stuff like that.
So you might believe these fundamental assumptions or you might do your own research and say that the traders are wrong and they are discounting critical factors and the price should be more. So you can go long the future and hope for an increase in price and sell the future before delivery for a profit. This is the expensive route but you will never be wiped out for sure. Price of crude may drop but will never go to zero.
Or you trade options on the futures, for example:
Borrow money (leverage) buy the call; short delta units of the future contract and invest the proceeds at the risk free rate.
If you are correct the call will end up in the money, the shorted futures will loose value but since it is “delta” units it is only a portion of the position and the invested money will earn you the risk free rate. So you make some money on the call and loose some on the hedge and net you will profit. (Hopefully to cover the transaction costs and taxes)
If you are wrong (price falls) your call will expire worth less so you are wiped out there, your short will increase in value and you will still earn the risk free rate. So although net you will loose money it will not be as much as a naked call because of delta hedging.
This is explained in very very simple terms. Each transaction step will indicate modeling prices to know if the future is priced correctly, if the option is priced correctly and if the leverage you are getting is correct. Plus modeling future price movements and expected rate of returns and the most primary thing in any transaction the “Alpha”. Source of alpha should be very clearly defined. Let me go a bit deep and include some simple math:
E[R] = Alpha + betaR + epsalon
Where E[R] is the expected return-(see statists for more on expectation functions.)
alphais the excess return
betaR is market return or what the price of the commodity does in the duration chosen. (Market betais 1)
epsalonis error term or un explained return.
(Sorry the greek symbols did not display so I wrote words)
This is a kindergarten model of modeling your alpha. As there are many variables you will use a multi variant model to figure out return. Plus as I said in my previous post you have to model jumps. Jumps are spikes of very short duration which will only be seen in a log normal price distribution. A Gaussian distribution might not be changed much because of a spike of small duration. For example if you are trading electricity and the temperature in NJ hits 110 degrees, there is going to be a spike on that day for electricity prices but this will fall as soon as temperature falls.
And the core issue of all is you need to have access to products as indicated by puddonhead plus money and leverage capacity and risk bearing capacity. As you see this is not for the faint of heart or for some one to do part time. If you are really sophisticated and can do this with good resources, fine or else my advice is stick to stocks or stock derivatives. Hedge funds have teams of quants and super computers sitting and doing this every day. They will vacuum out even the slightest of alpha out there; they will simply take your money if you enter into a wrong trade. If someone is a quant and does this for a living then if his contract allows it or if his licensing allows it legally he can do it on the side but apart from it definitely not something the retail investor should indulge in. Just invest in some ETF like GLD or USO or some commodity mutual funds at the max.
Best of luck!!
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gcseeker2002
07-18 09:05 AM
Date Delivered To USCIS: July 2
Time Delivered To USCIS: 7.55 AM
Service Center: NSC
Rejected: Dont Know
Time Delivered To USCIS: 7.55 AM
Service Center: NSC
Rejected: Dont Know
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gk_2000
04-20 05:02 PM
We are all here for personal interests...:D
Even if I agree, it doesn't account for the fact why some are uncivil and abusive, and others are not.
Even if I agree, it doesn't account for the fact why some are uncivil and abusive, and others are not.
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zCool
02-27 08:33 PM
Substitution is excluded. In fact a few ppl did pay 1000$ regardless and lost money.. Nebraska center is taking it's own sweet time..
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09-15 04:14 PM
Dear Friends,
If you are greened since Sept 1 - please vote and let all rest of our community know what worked for you or what did you do "special" to revive your case and get the much awaited approval this September.
This will give idea to other members to use the means to do the same and get the peace of mind you are experiencing.
PLEASE VOTE ONLY IF YOU ARE EB2 INDIA APPROVED SINCE 1ST ONLY.
Thanks,
What really worked for is the following:
1. several calls to TSC and one IO in TSC initiated a request for case to be assigned to an IO.
2. The nicest IO i ever met at an INFOPASS at Memphis office. She is the one who really got it done for me as she spoke to TSC IO and insisted my case to be assigned. She also wrote email to TSC asking that case should be assigned as dates are current. There was a problem in Biometrics upload and she got is fixed too.
3. My congressman also called TSC but by the time the Memphis IOs email and call had me approved already.
If you are greened since Sept 1 - please vote and let all rest of our community know what worked for you or what did you do "special" to revive your case and get the much awaited approval this September.
This will give idea to other members to use the means to do the same and get the peace of mind you are experiencing.
PLEASE VOTE ONLY IF YOU ARE EB2 INDIA APPROVED SINCE 1ST ONLY.
Thanks,
What really worked for is the following:
1. several calls to TSC and one IO in TSC initiated a request for case to be assigned to an IO.
2. The nicest IO i ever met at an INFOPASS at Memphis office. She is the one who really got it done for me as she spoke to TSC IO and insisted my case to be assigned. She also wrote email to TSC asking that case should be assigned as dates are current. There was a problem in Biometrics upload and she got is fixed too.
3. My congressman also called TSC but by the time the Memphis IOs email and call had me approved already.
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The7zen
03-11 12:14 PM
No offense to the OP and Thanks for posting this, but this thread is kind of diverting us from some of the efforts currently in progress, we are again playing the prediction game.
Lets contribute to the FOIA funding drive and get the right information.
thanks,
7zen
Lets contribute to the FOIA funding drive and get the right information.
thanks,
7zen
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06-13 03:12 PM
Guys!!!
Had it been the year like 1999 with all the efforts from IV, I am defintely sure the CIR reforms would have passed by now.
Issue here is the economy, recession looming large on our face, unemployment level rising, and no one knows whats going to happen in the next two-three years becuase of credit crisis and oil price going above the roof. If this continues for another year, we will be in deep s***.
Thats why no will dare to increase the workforce by issuing more grren cards. Atleast we should feel happy that they havent stopped issuing the cards.
I know its painful to be waiting for years to get a GC. But you do not know how green that card will stay if the current financial crisis continues for 2-3 years.
Fact is, this country is going thru a difficult period of uncertainty. Because of election year rhetoric, no one is going to accept it. But clearly, its not in their interest to get more workforce into this country. They know we have been waiting, and will continue to wait. Look at 2002/2003/2004, when they issued only 20K visas for the entire year. So just hope that things will get bright for this country soon else, we are in for an another hell ride.
Why they are bringing the people on the Lottery. They give 50,000 green cards each year thru lottery system. 50,000 and inlcuding dependents atleast 2 = 150,000 people come. In addition this they give asylum to around 200,000-500,000 people. They come here and start from scratch.
Most of H1B(s) are working here and estabished. If USCIS gives green card to H1B(s), it will not create any problem to the labor market. Infact it will give boost up to economy because people who get GC, they will start buying houses, luxary items and other investment to this country.
Had it been the year like 1999 with all the efforts from IV, I am defintely sure the CIR reforms would have passed by now.
Issue here is the economy, recession looming large on our face, unemployment level rising, and no one knows whats going to happen in the next two-three years becuase of credit crisis and oil price going above the roof. If this continues for another year, we will be in deep s***.
Thats why no will dare to increase the workforce by issuing more grren cards. Atleast we should feel happy that they havent stopped issuing the cards.
I know its painful to be waiting for years to get a GC. But you do not know how green that card will stay if the current financial crisis continues for 2-3 years.
Fact is, this country is going thru a difficult period of uncertainty. Because of election year rhetoric, no one is going to accept it. But clearly, its not in their interest to get more workforce into this country. They know we have been waiting, and will continue to wait. Look at 2002/2003/2004, when they issued only 20K visas for the entire year. So just hope that things will get bright for this country soon else, we are in for an another hell ride.
Why they are bringing the people on the Lottery. They give 50,000 green cards each year thru lottery system. 50,000 and inlcuding dependents atleast 2 = 150,000 people come. In addition this they give asylum to around 200,000-500,000 people. They come here and start from scratch.
Most of H1B(s) are working here and estabished. If USCIS gives green card to H1B(s), it will not create any problem to the labor market. Infact it will give boost up to economy because people who get GC, they will start buying houses, luxary items and other investment to this country.
sledge_hammer
07-18 12:41 PM
Was it the first extension (before the completion of 6 years)?
I got extension for 3 yrs. 140 approved, 485 filed 3 yrs ago
I got extension for 3 yrs. 140 approved, 485 filed 3 yrs ago
casinoroyale
06-23 11:07 PM
sunilbhai,
What is the difference between Patriot America & Protection America other than 90/10, 80/20 option. From the comparision chart everything else looks the same. Patrior is slightly cheaper than Protection. One thing that I noticed is you can not renew Patriot if its bought <3months initially, however, Protection can be renewed. Any other good reasons for the price difference?
Thanks.
What is the difference between Patriot America & Protection America other than 90/10, 80/20 option. From the comparision chart everything else looks the same. Patrior is slightly cheaper than Protection. One thing that I noticed is you can not renew Patriot if its bought <3months initially, however, Protection can be renewed. Any other good reasons for the price difference?
Thanks.
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