mundada
07-10 03:39 PM
Hey...
the law is not an end in itself... it's a means to achieving end.... and hence it can be challenged in the courts...
final point... let us walk through the situation... per quota country limits is removed... now everyone applying for the employment based visa has to wait for 5 years.... so every country immigrant & the country politicians will pressure the US govt. to act... and only then politicians would act!
case in hand: Labor Certifications... Before PERM it took upto 3 years for the labor to be certified and it affected everyone irrespective of the country... So the PERM was introduced.
AC-21 ... before AC-21 everyone was getting affected and hence the AC-21 law..
One may argue otherwise... but the reality is it matters especially if everyone is getting affected... However, we try... the family based visa won't go away... it affects everyone! No surprise that the latin american senators would NOT allow any legal immigration efforts to succeed without their cause being taken as well.
The only way a thing will get done is if we have a mass problem... and if there isn't then as a tactic it is necessary to create one so that the whole problem could be solved. Otherwise everything will be lost in statistics like
1> Only 2% of countries are getting affected.
2> Only IT/electrical/software are getting affected.
3> Out of the affected people only 5% are leaving, overall only 2% are leaving.
4> etc. etc.
Please note the above numbers are my guestimates.. but I hope you got the point. I am ready to bet the day per country cap is removed... within a year something would be done about the whole EB immigration.
The human psychology is to be risk averse that is if something does not affect me then why should I bother myself with it? In other words, unless many people do not get affected, there won't be reform/change/resolution!
FBI check delay is admin procedure so courts could take up the case. But per country quota is law.
Many persons used to say skills need to be basis for selection. But that is not applicable for GC processing. Here there is no selection from multiple candidates. In Labor and I140 they are checking that particular candidate is suitable for that position or not and also no US citizen is available for the job. If not they will reject the candidate. So they are not selecting based on Merrit as no compettion is there for the particular position. So it is just all the eligible persons will get GC. It is similar to all the high school passed candidates will get admission to college if seats are available but not based on marks but based on FIFO basis.
By FIFO based it is discriminatory but still unused other country quota is used in last quarter for India and China. So per country quota impact will be less if CIS uses all the 140K. Also they are not giving any one country preference or quota. So it is not outrageous compared to many other controversial laws. Law in any country is not perfect and even if perfect it will give more benefit to some group.
It is very difficult to win by lawsuit against any law unless that law is outrageous and impacts many persons. So best way is to try for another law to change a law. But just removing per country quota will give very less benefit especially for Eb3. Waiting time will reduce from 7 to 6 years for all countries. If per country quota is removed with recapture bill then waiting time for EB3 may reduce to 1 to 3 years for EB3.
the law is not an end in itself... it's a means to achieving end.... and hence it can be challenged in the courts...
final point... let us walk through the situation... per quota country limits is removed... now everyone applying for the employment based visa has to wait for 5 years.... so every country immigrant & the country politicians will pressure the US govt. to act... and only then politicians would act!
case in hand: Labor Certifications... Before PERM it took upto 3 years for the labor to be certified and it affected everyone irrespective of the country... So the PERM was introduced.
AC-21 ... before AC-21 everyone was getting affected and hence the AC-21 law..
One may argue otherwise... but the reality is it matters especially if everyone is getting affected... However, we try... the family based visa won't go away... it affects everyone! No surprise that the latin american senators would NOT allow any legal immigration efforts to succeed without their cause being taken as well.
The only way a thing will get done is if we have a mass problem... and if there isn't then as a tactic it is necessary to create one so that the whole problem could be solved. Otherwise everything will be lost in statistics like
1> Only 2% of countries are getting affected.
2> Only IT/electrical/software are getting affected.
3> Out of the affected people only 5% are leaving, overall only 2% are leaving.
4> etc. etc.
Please note the above numbers are my guestimates.. but I hope you got the point. I am ready to bet the day per country cap is removed... within a year something would be done about the whole EB immigration.
The human psychology is to be risk averse that is if something does not affect me then why should I bother myself with it? In other words, unless many people do not get affected, there won't be reform/change/resolution!
FBI check delay is admin procedure so courts could take up the case. But per country quota is law.
Many persons used to say skills need to be basis for selection. But that is not applicable for GC processing. Here there is no selection from multiple candidates. In Labor and I140 they are checking that particular candidate is suitable for that position or not and also no US citizen is available for the job. If not they will reject the candidate. So they are not selecting based on Merrit as no compettion is there for the particular position. So it is just all the eligible persons will get GC. It is similar to all the high school passed candidates will get admission to college if seats are available but not based on marks but based on FIFO basis.
By FIFO based it is discriminatory but still unused other country quota is used in last quarter for India and China. So per country quota impact will be less if CIS uses all the 140K. Also they are not giving any one country preference or quota. So it is not outrageous compared to many other controversial laws. Law in any country is not perfect and even if perfect it will give more benefit to some group.
It is very difficult to win by lawsuit against any law unless that law is outrageous and impacts many persons. So best way is to try for another law to change a law. But just removing per country quota will give very less benefit especially for Eb3. Waiting time will reduce from 7 to 6 years for all countries. If per country quota is removed with recapture bill then waiting time for EB3 may reduce to 1 to 3 years for EB3.
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wellwishergc
12-19 03:00 PM
Starting Jan 2007, I will chip in 20$ per month every month until we get the bill for GC relief cleared, if we can beat Anurakt's challenge of 60000$ by 31st december.
karthik204
12-04 09:48 AM
No, we want ALL pregnant women every where to come to US to give birth so we can get to pay for there care.
Dont you have something called humanity? How are you different from the officer how has done this act? You dont even have a greencard and talking about paying from your pocket?? What would you become when you are citizen here?
Another Lou Dobbs??
Shame on you!!
Dont you have something called humanity? How are you different from the officer how has done this act? You dont even have a greencard and talking about paying from your pocket?? What would you become when you are citizen here?
Another Lou Dobbs??
Shame on you!!
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desi3933
02-25 10:12 AM
Please create a poll and also start a special funding drive. I am committing $ 200 for this effort.
Hopefully desi3933 can come by and perform a reality check on this proposal.
An interesting idea to say the least. Out of box suggestion.
However, there are few things, from legal point of view, it needs to overcome. I will post my detailed comments this afternoon.
Once again, this is a great idea!
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US citizen of Indian origin
Hopefully desi3933 can come by and perform a reality check on this proposal.
An interesting idea to say the least. Out of box suggestion.
However, there are few things, from legal point of view, it needs to overcome. I will post my detailed comments this afternoon.
Once again, this is a great idea!
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Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
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diptam
09-08 12:03 AM
Wooo... wah ...wah.. wah .. great Sherman... Is this what you mean ??
You dont care about Jobs being internationally outsourced but you do care about a guy sitting next to you and delivering better output than you... That means you fear competition OR you dont like a guy sitting next to you because he is a Macaca... ??
What ever option you choose it defeats America !! And still want to call yourself patriotic American ? America is the land of best and brightest - its the competition and drive which keeps a free,Capitalist society alive...
By the way you still didn't provide me the source how 75% folks are having under-grad degree and what % of that is in S/T/Engg/Math ....
Dont hesitate to respond - we all know the answer. Just want to hear from you.
Jobs in America is for Americans. If at all it gets outsourced to your country then it is yours. But as long as that job is in my country, I will defend it and not let some Strive or Skill act take it away from me.
You dont care about Jobs being internationally outsourced but you do care about a guy sitting next to you and delivering better output than you... That means you fear competition OR you dont like a guy sitting next to you because he is a Macaca... ??
What ever option you choose it defeats America !! And still want to call yourself patriotic American ? America is the land of best and brightest - its the competition and drive which keeps a free,Capitalist society alive...
By the way you still didn't provide me the source how 75% folks are having under-grad degree and what % of that is in S/T/Engg/Math ....
Dont hesitate to respond - we all know the answer. Just want to hear from you.
Jobs in America is for Americans. If at all it gets outsourced to your country then it is yours. But as long as that job is in my country, I will defend it and not let some Strive or Skill act take it away from me.
Sherman_tribiani
09-07 11:26 PM
Yes, we all shall see. 10,000, lol. I laugh at your post. A good laugh before going to bed is always good.
Friend - Why don't you wait till 9/18 and have this discussion. Oh, hold on, by that time, the rally will be a huge success and you won't be around here to show your face. Strength is in numbers and you will see the power of immigrants on 9/18. If we could reverse a visa bulletin with a rally of 350+ members and couple of hundred flowers, we will be headlines with 10000+ rally. This is going to be a historic event and why don't you take our side and be part of history instead of being an anti-immigrant cry baby.
Friend - Why don't you wait till 9/18 and have this discussion. Oh, hold on, by that time, the rally will be a huge success and you won't be around here to show your face. Strength is in numbers and you will see the power of immigrants on 9/18. If we could reverse a visa bulletin with a rally of 350+ members and couple of hundred flowers, we will be headlines with 10000+ rally. This is going to be a historic event and why don't you take our side and be part of history instead of being an anti-immigrant cry baby.
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Tortoise
08-12 03:16 PM
I had 2 soft LUDs in Aug 26 and 27 in 2008 for all of 3 applicants on that day not sure they are for what..that time I was in India using AP.
Another guess is my file may have been pre-adjudicated thats why I had see 3 LUD's as other 2 applicants didn't treavel to India only myself.
Another guess is my file may have been pre-adjudicated thats why I had see 3 LUD's as other 2 applicants didn't treavel to India only myself.
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VivekAhuja
02-25 11:53 PM
This idea will just put another layer on the GC process. If you are going to make a rule/law to allow this 5 year EAD and new status, why not instead change the LAW to allow higher numbers of yearly GC cards or remove the country based limits.
LC -I140 - I485 -AOS - Do we really want another layer?
LC -I140 - I485 -AOS - Do we really want another layer?
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sanjose
08-11 09:56 PM
... that there are 10 other dream destinations in the next 10 years ... Uh !! 10 DREAM DESTINATIONS ? Well, when too many things are considered special, the fact is , nothing is special. So let us reduce that number to 1, 2 or max 3. :rolleyes:
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santb1975
12-01 06:41 PM
Let's keep the contributions comming
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nogc12
07-17 08:49 PM
Now we have got the attention of the law makers time to push for more change.
Great JOB IV!!
Great JOB IV!!
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ajay
03-06 11:38 AM
Guys,
Please DO NOT vote "Yes" if you are not intending to contribute $25 for this cause. Whoever enters yes, I will pursue and make sure we get contribution before 31st March. Please make sure you send me PM with your contact information if not paying withing a week.
Please please please, do not put junk on this forum. Keep bumping up anyways.
Core, no offense meant, but please don't shy voting on this. I usually don't see core voting, understandable but keep this as an exception.
P.S.
Based on multiple IM to me on this issue:
I am trying to set up something with IV so that the contribution specifically will go for this cause. Any access money will be transferred to IV regular account. I will publish the account summary at the end of effort for transparency reasons.
Please be specific how to remit this amount ?
Please DO NOT vote "Yes" if you are not intending to contribute $25 for this cause. Whoever enters yes, I will pursue and make sure we get contribution before 31st March. Please make sure you send me PM with your contact information if not paying withing a week.
Please please please, do not put junk on this forum. Keep bumping up anyways.
Core, no offense meant, but please don't shy voting on this. I usually don't see core voting, understandable but keep this as an exception.
P.S.
Based on multiple IM to me on this issue:
I am trying to set up something with IV so that the contribution specifically will go for this cause. Any access money will be transferred to IV regular account. I will publish the account summary at the end of effort for transparency reasons.
Please be specific how to remit this amount ?
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sabhayk
05-23 11:33 PM
Me too. Haven't received receipt yet.
hmm.... Well they are really lagging behind I believe.
Is there anyone here who took a letter of completion from the school to apply for the Masters Cap and has got H1B. or cica versa.
Guys please share your experience. I have applied the same way and I am wondering what my case result would be. I took a letter of completion from the school as I completed my degree requirements early and applied.
hmm.... Well they are really lagging behind I believe.
Is there anyone here who took a letter of completion from the school to apply for the Masters Cap and has got H1B. or cica versa.
Guys please share your experience. I have applied the same way and I am wondering what my case result would be. I took a letter of completion from the school as I completed my degree requirements early and applied.
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bsbawa10
09-12 08:59 AM
If we can even collectively demand official data, which I think we are entitled to, it will help IV community in estimating the wait times for individual cases. It may also help USCIS in correcting their projections and foreseeing the demand.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21462
Count me in for any effort in this direction.
I think USCIS actions are too random . I do not think they want to see the real projections or the real demands. If they wanted to , believe me it should not have been difficult at all. Nevertheless, the first step towards that would be asking for transparency. The letter and poster campaign can do that.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21462
Count me in for any effort in this direction.
I think USCIS actions are too random . I do not think they want to see the real projections or the real demands. If they wanted to , believe me it should not have been difficult at all. Nevertheless, the first step towards that would be asking for transparency. The letter and poster campaign can do that.
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paskal
09-07 11:26 PM
if we as a community have a good answer to this challenge
then we don't need vitriol.
he is mocking us.
he is baiting us.
so let me ask- is everyone on this thread going to DC? if you are then say so, he is challenging you to show that you are not all bark
if you are not going, time to reconsider your reasons.
i am going. i will be there starting saturday the 15th
i am not all rhetoric. i will stand up for myself.
you- tribbiani- do what you have to. i will do what i should.
so who is joining me?
then we don't need vitriol.
he is mocking us.
he is baiting us.
so let me ask- is everyone on this thread going to DC? if you are then say so, he is challenging you to show that you are not all bark
if you are not going, time to reconsider your reasons.
i am going. i will be there starting saturday the 15th
i am not all rhetoric. i will stand up for myself.
you- tribbiani- do what you have to. i will do what i should.
so who is joining me?
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doggy
08-13 08:50 PM
Fred,
Congratulations!!
Just ignore the accusations. Two things here. Firstly, people are really frustrated here with all the GC stuff. Secondly, there has been lot of Anti-immigrants coming in and trying to disrupt the forums, making people inherently suspicious.
Enjoy your Green Card. Remember to support us lesser mortals in future. :p
-Doggy
Congratulations!!
Just ignore the accusations. Two things here. Firstly, people are really frustrated here with all the GC stuff. Secondly, there has been lot of Anti-immigrants coming in and trying to disrupt the forums, making people inherently suspicious.
Enjoy your Green Card. Remember to support us lesser mortals in future. :p
-Doggy
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Goodintentions
04-14 04:53 PM
Now you are telling the real reason :)
2 yrs wait?? Its been 4 yrs and yet to file 485
Fortunately you are one among the minorities that oppose this proposal. I am glad that IV has this proposal as part of its agenda
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Dear All,
This thread is just an attempt to discuss a time bound GC programme for the suffering EB2 / EB3 folks (especially for EB3).
Kindly note that this has nothing to do with things like Lottery, STEM or anythingelse. They are all irrelevant in this context. This is a simple message. Kindly, let us not digress. This is a humble request.
Simply put --> this thread is ONLY interested in the EB2 / EB3 friends waiting forever
Thanks for the understanding.
GOD bless!
Trust this clarifies...
2 yrs wait?? Its been 4 yrs and yet to file 485
Fortunately you are one among the minorities that oppose this proposal. I am glad that IV has this proposal as part of its agenda
==========
Dear All,
This thread is just an attempt to discuss a time bound GC programme for the suffering EB2 / EB3 folks (especially for EB3).
Kindly note that this has nothing to do with things like Lottery, STEM or anythingelse. They are all irrelevant in this context. This is a simple message. Kindly, let us not digress. This is a humble request.
Simply put --> this thread is ONLY interested in the EB2 / EB3 friends waiting forever
Thanks for the understanding.
GOD bless!
Trust this clarifies...
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neeidd
03-06 10:18 PM
$25 from me please!
Thanks,
Thanks,
kalia
07-06 03:54 PM
Hi All,
There is nothing wrong in sending the flowers. People will have to make sure that their message is well written.
Please note that it is not USCIS who decides the priority dates. It is DOS who decides the VB. USCIS just follow that VB says.
There is nothing wrong in sending the flowers. People will have to make sure that their message is well written.
Please note that it is not USCIS who decides the priority dates. It is DOS who decides the VB. USCIS just follow that VB says.
needhelp!
11-21 02:43 PM
Santhi.. can you edit your first post to add this info:
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